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		<title>By: shane</title>
		<link>http://techwhimsy.com/data-portability-do-normal-people-even-care/comment-page-1#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olivia, do you mean, the comments box isn&#039;t visible from the front page, or the comments box is never visible?

If you look at the homepage here, you will see that there is a &#039;leave a comment&#039; link for each post. However, if you click on the title of the post and go to that post&#039;s own page, the comment box is visible at the bottom.

If that&#039;s not clear, email me your blog&#039;s address (my email is on the &#039;About...&#039; page) and I&#039;ll take a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olivia, do you mean, the comments box isn&#8217;t visible from the front page, or the comments box is never visible?</p>
<p>If you look at the homepage here, you will see that there is a &#8216;leave a comment&#8217; link for each post. However, if you click on the title of the post and go to that post&#8217;s own page, the comment box is visible at the bottom.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s not clear, email me your blog&#8217;s address (my email is on the &#8216;About&#8230;&#8217; page) and I&#8217;ll take a look.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliva</title>
		<link>http://techwhimsy.com/data-portability-do-normal-people-even-care/comment-page-1#comment-276</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 08:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane,i am new to blogging; I hope u could help me out .. I have recently posted in my blog (wordpress) .. my submit comment box is not visible... if someone had to comment they have to click on the link &#039;comments&#039;. I want &#039;Leave a reply&#039; section like urs to be visible</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane,i am new to blogging; I hope u could help me out .. I have recently posted in my blog (wordpress) .. my submit comment box is not visible&#8230; if someone had to comment they have to click on the link &#8216;comments&#8217;. I want &#8216;Leave a reply&#8217; section like urs to be visible</p>
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		<title>By: Oliva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 08:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks 4 the quick reply Shane. I hope we could just have 1 main profile (1 single contact list).Its really a pain to make profile in different social networking websites &amp; manage them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks 4 the quick reply Shane. I hope we could just have 1 main profile (1 single contact list).Its really a pain to make profile in different social networking websites &amp; manage them.</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 13:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Olivia,

Thanks for stopping by and commenting.

Keep in mind that at this stage Data Portability is idea rather than an existing, ready to use technology.

I&#039;m not an expert on data portability but I think, in a perfect world, it might let you:
- sign up to Orkut
- Orkut would automatically fill out your profile based on information you have already agreed is available to be used for profiles
- Orkut would ask if you would like to import details of your Facebook friends into Orkut
- Orkut would then search those contacts to see if there is anyone from Facebook also on Orkut

I don&#039;t think there is anything that would let you interact with Orkut friends from Facebook without joining Orkut, although Google&#039;s Open Social platform for developing apps (like you find in Facebook eg chat, iLike and so on) might allow you to interact with your friends through those apps.

It&#039;s still all very much up in the air at this stage. Hopefully in a year or two more things will come together to make this happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Olivia,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by and commenting.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that at this stage Data Portability is idea rather than an existing, ready to use technology.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an expert on data portability but I think, in a perfect world, it might let you:<br />
- sign up to Orkut<br />
- Orkut would automatically fill out your profile based on information you have already agreed is available to be used for profiles<br />
- Orkut would ask if you would like to import details of your Facebook friends into Orkut<br />
- Orkut would then search those contacts to see if there is anyone from Facebook also on Orkut</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is anything that would let you interact with Orkut friends from Facebook without joining Orkut, although Google&#8217;s Open Social platform for developing apps (like you find in Facebook eg chat, iLike and so on) might allow you to interact with your friends through those apps.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still all very much up in the air at this stage. Hopefully in a year or two more things will come together to make this happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliva</title>
		<link>http://techwhimsy.com/data-portability-do-normal-people-even-care/comment-page-1#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 12:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I am not that familiar with data portability ..I have got an account in facebook but not in orkut. With data portability will I be able to interact with my friends who r in orkut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I am not that familiar with data portability ..I have got an account in facebook but not in orkut. With data portability will I be able to interact with my friends who r in orkut.</p>
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		<title>By: Should the public care about Data Portability? &#124; Here in the Hive</title>
		<link>http://techwhimsy.com/data-portability-do-normal-people-even-care/comment-page-1#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Should the public care about Data Portability? &#124; Here in the Hive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 19:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s back up now and I enjoyed reading your post (although I think I need to read it a few more times!).

I do have to say that I think you guys are doing good work and I look forward to the day that DataPortability is mainstream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s back up now and I enjoyed reading your post (although I think I need to read it a few more times!).</p>
<p>I do have to say that I think you guys are doing good work and I look forward to the day that DataPortability is mainstream.</p>
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		<title>By: Elias Bizannes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elias Bizannes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, my host is having server issues and has been for a few hours now which I am not impressed about.

Personally, I don&#039;t expect people - the ordinary consumer - to care about DataPortability just yet. We are still in a research phase, and the next phase will be a design phase, followed by an evangelism phase. It will be that final phase where the benefits will be articulated.

I think to myself about RSS, when I was explaining to some guys at my firm in the m&amp;a team. When I told them about having a personalised newspaper, where the information comes to you, their eyes popped out. Some other people, after I explained RSS to them, are now addicted. As people that understand all these open standards, we know they are cool stuff (otherwise we wouldn&#039;t be using it ourselves). We just need an effective way to communicate that to the non-technical people. People can&#039;t say you don&#039;t need something, if you don&#039;t know it exists.

Once my damn blog gets back online, check my most recent post which explains what I think DataPortability is. I am sure it will still raise questions, but I also think it will give you some perspective as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, my host is having server issues and has been for a few hours now which I am not impressed about.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t expect people &#8211; the ordinary consumer &#8211; to care about DataPortability just yet. We are still in a research phase, and the next phase will be a design phase, followed by an evangelism phase. It will be that final phase where the benefits will be articulated.</p>
<p>I think to myself about RSS, when I was explaining to some guys at my firm in the m&amp;a team. When I told them about having a personalised newspaper, where the information comes to you, their eyes popped out. Some other people, after I explained RSS to them, are now addicted. As people that understand all these open standards, we know they are cool stuff (otherwise we wouldn&#8217;t be using it ourselves). We just need an effective way to communicate that to the non-technical people. People can&#8217;t say you don&#8217;t need something, if you don&#8217;t know it exists.</p>
<p>Once my damn blog gets back online, check my most recent post which explains what I think DataPortability is. I am sure it will still raise questions, but I also think it will give you some perspective as well.</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Elias,

Thanks for stopping by. I was wondering if anyone from the Data Portability Project would come across this.

I agree with all your points, and I concede that perhaps I haven&#039;t been asking the right questions.  Data portability &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; important and I&#039;m not questioning that.

My wife never gets phished. She&#039;s more aware than most (in my experience) when it comes to recognising what&#039;s a scam and what isn&#039;t. Part of that is living with a geek I guess, but she is also switched on and a natural sceptic.

I honestly don&#039;t think she&#039;s concerned if a company collects data on her and then tries to sell stuff based on what they &lt;em&gt;think&lt;/em&gt; she likes. I suspect (but I would have to confirm) that she likes the idea of a more personalised service.

Finally, she works from home running a small and private music teaching studio. However, I don&#039;t think the broader implications of OpenID concern her that much. She has already been trained over the years to create multiple logins for different services.  I suspect that OpenID might seem like &#039;a good thing&#039; but whether she could be bothered to setup an identity, I&#039;m not sure.

Data portability is important but I don&#039;t think the negatives of lock in are effecting enough &#039;normal&#039; people yet. I still believe that until it does, most people who shrug their shoulders and say &quot;So what?&quot;.  I don&#039;t envy you your struggle.  It&#039;s going to be a long haul.

Two other things (so the finally above was not all that accurate after all...):
- every 90 days? My corporate network insists  on a new password every &lt;em&gt;30&lt;/em&gt; days, which often leads to unsafe password practices like the same word with a sequentially changing number at the end. Personally, I think the network would be &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt; secure if they just tested the strength of a password and then changed them less frequently
- liako.biz is returning blank pages in FF2 and times out/server not found in IE 7 and Opera.  Not sure if it&#039;s a server problem or operator error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Elias,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by. I was wondering if anyone from the Data Portability Project would come across this.</p>
<p>I agree with all your points, and I concede that perhaps I haven&#8217;t been asking the right questions.  Data portability <em>is</em> important and I&#8217;m not questioning that.</p>
<p>My wife never gets phished. She&#8217;s more aware than most (in my experience) when it comes to recognising what&#8217;s a scam and what isn&#8217;t. Part of that is living with a geek I guess, but she is also switched on and a natural sceptic.</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t think she&#8217;s concerned if a company collects data on her and then tries to sell stuff based on what they <em>think</em> she likes. I suspect (but I would have to confirm) that she likes the idea of a more personalised service.</p>
<p>Finally, she works from home running a small and private music teaching studio. However, I don&#8217;t think the broader implications of OpenID concern her that much. She has already been trained over the years to create multiple logins for different services.  I suspect that OpenID might seem like &#8216;a good thing&#8217; but whether she could be bothered to setup an identity, I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>Data portability is important but I don&#8217;t think the negatives of lock in are effecting enough &#8216;normal&#8217; people yet. I still believe that until it does, most people who shrug their shoulders and say &#8220;So what?&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t envy you your struggle.  It&#8217;s going to be a long haul.</p>
<p>Two other things (so the finally above was not all that accurate after all&#8230;):<br />
- every 90 days? My corporate network insists  on a new password every <em>30</em> days, which often leads to unsafe password practices like the same word with a sequentially changing number at the end. Personally, I think the network would be <em>more</em> secure if they just tested the strength of a password and then changed them less frequently<br />
- liako.biz is returning blank pages in FF2 and times out/server not found in IE 7 and Opera.  Not sure if it&#8217;s a server problem or operator error.</p>
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		<title>By: Elias Bizannes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elias Bizannes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try another approach - ask your wife is she likes people phishing her details. (That&#039;s prevented by oAuth where you don&#039;t have to give up your password to another service again).

Ask her if she likes companies tracking what she does online, and then selling what they thinks she likes (that&#039;s alleviated by APML where you can get a copy of what a company thinks you like).

And if she works at a large company, ask her if she remembers her windows password, network password for VPN, Lotus Notes password, and her intranet password - all of which she has to change every 90 days. (That&#039;s fixed by Openid - a simple identity credential).

http://liako.biz/2008/04/what-is-the-dataportability-project/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try another approach &#8211; ask your wife is she likes people phishing her details. (That&#8217;s prevented by oAuth where you don&#8217;t have to give up your password to another service again).</p>
<p>Ask her if she likes companies tracking what she does online, and then selling what they thinks she likes (that&#8217;s alleviated by APML where you can get a copy of what a company thinks you like).</p>
<p>And if she works at a large company, ask her if she remembers her windows password, network password for VPN, Lotus Notes password, and her intranet password &#8211; all of which she has to change every 90 days. (That&#8217;s fixed by Openid &#8211; a simple identity credential).</p>
<p><a href="http://liako.biz/2008/04/what-is-the-dataportability-project/" rel="nofollow">http://liako.biz/2008/04/what-is-the-dataportability-project/</a></p>
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